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_If you create some content but there is no one to see it, does it exist?_

from +112427496122904544974


https://paul.kinlan.me/ephemeral-social-network/






 

Blockchain based content publishing system is full of content about making money with content.


https://steemit.com/






 

Decentralized Web Summit

Attending the Decentralized Web Summit day 2. Hope to see some familiar and new faces.

http://www.decentralizedweb.net/

 

 

Anyone have a contact at npr.org?

Their pages are generating invalid Content-Type headers:

Content-Type: text/html;;charset=UTF-8

Fixing on our end, but someone should let them know..









 

A great read, but they missed out on another big issue - tons of content is semi-private and will be lost forever.



http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/10/raiders-of-the-lost-web/409210/?single_page=tr...






 

Here's a 30 day challenge.

Only consume Youtube and Play Music content in a language you barely know.

This is how much of the world interacts with our products.

All of a sudden you understand why lyric videos are so popular on Youtube. It also explains weird comments on G+ from people that are just playing around with English.

I've been doing something like that for a few days. It's eye opening.

Oh and if you're interested in music discovery from Suisse Romande see the link below.


https://www.youtube.com/user/LesReperagesCouleur3






 

Direct link: https://www.tumblr.com/tv

Nice intro with TV static, but I do wonder if anyone born after 1990 knows what that is..

- Supports next/prev, but no pause
- Content is limited, not very customizable.
- No context cues presented, no intros/bumpers other than the initial splash screen.


http://venturebeat.com/2015/06/25/tumblr-launches-tumblr-tv-a-platform-for-surfing-gifs/






 

I find the Blogger decision baffling given the effort in Social for Project R

http://go/projectr

What's the story here?  @103643500382916616176 or @106642279061626308531  can you weigh in?

I was hopeful that we'd offer a way for adults to have adult conversations around adult topics and content.  Hell, sometimes I'd like to restrict my youtube comments to only adults (*yes* we have the ability in the ASBE backend to do this!)

I'm also sad that we're spending any amount of time to help Tobacco companies peddle their wares, which it seems is the main driver for a lot of this...









 

Search the html, not the content.  I can think of a bunch of ways that this is useful...


http://nerdydata.com/






 


_"embedded restaurants and taxis"_

This is why I think we need to do more, not less with live content, especially on mobile....

http://ben-evans.com/benedictevans/2014/8/1/app-unbundling-search-and-discovery






 

Google+  has some common sense content rules in the User Content and Conduct Policy [1]  You'll notice there is no...

Google+  has some common sense content rules in the User Content and Conduct Policy [1]  You'll notice there is no section on censorship based on viewpoint.

The issue described by Eric Raymond below is much more mundane.  It's actually a problem in the way Google+ previews web snippets.  

A couple of weeks ago we introduced the new Article embed type.  You'll notice these posts by their distinctive large-photos with a ragged-edge.  This new code caused the problem.

The markup on theblaze.com uses the http://schema.org/NewsArticle markup.  That, combined with some other factors causes the preview processing to fail.  This issue was reported to us on April 1st and a fix will be released to production early next week.

I opened an issue on our developer site to track this issue since it does affect a handful of other sites that use the NewsArticle markup.  Feel free to Star it to receive updates: 

https://code.google.com/p/google-plus-platform/issues/detail?id=805

[1] https://www.google.com/intl/en-US/+/policy/content.html

Originally shared by Eric Raymond

G+ may be engaging in non-viewpoint-neutral censorship of news  articles relating to firearms. 

This link:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/04/gun-control-advocates-who-say-more-guns-equal-more-crime-...

results in post blocking when it's either pasted in the link box or pasted in text with the preview image not removed. Others have reported that all firearms-related articles from The Blaze, but not non-firearms-related articles, are blocked.

Something more specific than blocking of firearms-related images is going on, as the Geeks with Guns G+ community would have noticed that a lot sooner than now.

Google has some explaining to do.

 

 

Can we learn from the last Comcast Merger?

Can we learn from the last Comcast Merger?  I hope we can.  This recent NPR interview with Susan Crawford goes into the details.

The big risk here is a larger Comcast can leverage Content to keep new entrants out of the market.

That new entrant has to enter on two levels. It has to build communications infrastructure. But it also has to get access to programming, because 91 percent of Americans have paid TV prescriptions, as well as high-speed Internet access subscriptions. They want both. So Comcast pays much less for programming - because it has so many subscribers, and because it owns one of the big players - than any new entrant would. This is yet another cudgel, another sledgehammer that Comcast can use to keep any potential alternative network competition at bay.

 

So I was just saying to myself wouldn't it be great if we could have incognito iframes and behold! there it is..  iframe sandbox's unique origin solves that problem...

Anyone using this in practice?  I'd love to use this as a way to serve up 3P content and supply the appropriate user information directly from the parent via postMessage to avoid user-overlap confusion.


http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/security/sandboxed-iframes/






 

Pluck spammed me about their new events/hangouts-like functionality.

Hello Paul,

Can you do this today?

Hold a live event, on your website or Facebook page. Invite an executive, topical expert or celebrity to host it. Let hundreds of thousands of your fans not only follow the event, but participate with comments, questions and photo and video uploads. Manage your event’s tone, pace and energy by choosing the content your fans see. Compel them to spend an average of 40 minutes on your website or Facebook page.

How about this?

Enhance a virtual or in-person event with a dynamic social wall experience. Collect, curate and display related social media content directly on your website. Moderate fan content – comments, questions, photos, videos, tweets, Facebook posts – so that it best represents your brand. Add your own original content or editorial commentary.  Create a complete, highly visual story around a particular topic or event.

Creating a Real-time Experience is about starting a conversation, not joining it. It’s about listening and engaging. Real-time Experiences are about collaborative content, and leveraging unique audience consumption opportunities on your owned media.

Pluck’s CoveritLive Real-time Engagement Platform gives you everything you need to design and produce highly interactive real-time experiences. More than 1,500 leading brands, retailers and publishers like Subway, EA, Jeep, Ford and Anthropologie have created real-time experiences with CoveritLive. They have connected with their fans – and generated new ones – through Live Blogs, Q&A Sessions, Social Walls, Second Screen Experiences, Featured Galleries and Facebook Chats.

For digital marketers seeking customer and shopper engagement, real-time experiences are highly differentiated and very sticky. CoveritLive routinely supports events with hundreds of thousands of attendees, who on average are engaged for 40 minutes.

And here’s the best part. You can download CoveritLive and run trial events of your own at no cost. What are you waiting for?









 

Paradigm shift.  Post->Create, View->Search.

I think part of the YT problem is one of perception that reminds of the early days of Gmail.  Remember when you 'put' messages in 'folders'?  That's what people think of when they post.  Instead you have 'Content' that is created that has certain attributes.

When you have content with attributes you can use search to surface it, rank it, and filter it.

So my minor suggestion for Youtube comments is to add a really simple thing: Add _Searching for Comments..._ to the loading indicator.









 

T-Mobile user with a grandfathered plan?

Install this before you upgrade to KitKat...


https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pdanet#body-content






 

A song about gentrification in San Francisco...  It pains me to see Google vilified in this way when it enables so much (including this content itself)

Sadly I don't hold out much hope for technology fixing the dysfunctional housing situation in the Bay Area.

[And where's my soundcloud embed  @112474028169763877889 ??]

Also if you decide to watch the youtube video remember that _This video has been age-restricted based on our Community Guidelines_


http://soundcloud.com/persia415/persia-google-google-apps-apps






 

Soundcloud and Google+: now better integrated.

Soundcloud and Google+: now better integrated.

If you already have a Soundcloud account go here:

http://soundcloud.com/settings/connections

If you create content on Soundcloud you definitely want to connect your profiles.  Add your Google+ profile here:

http://soundcloud.com/settings/advanced

And then add your Soundcloud profile here:

  https://plus.google.com/me/edit

Soundcloud supports authorship markup, and connected profiles makes your Soundcloud content eligible for enhanced search results!

Originally shared by Ade Oshineye

This: https://soundcheck.soundcloud.com/music/social-focus-google is cool.

But this: https://soundcloud.com/mayerhawthorne is cooler. /followed.

 

Great new feature that makes it easier for people to follow your Google+ page from your newsletters and...

Great new feature that makes it easier for people to follow your Google+ page from your newsletters and notifications.

In the past you had to add and verify all your sender email addresses (which were often noreply@hostname.com). Now the email hostname just needs to match your verified website, which is much easier.

Originally shared by Google Small Business

Customers can now follow you directly from Gmail

Posted by Saurabh Sharma and David Nachum:

Today we're expanding the Gmail people widget to include brands and businesses (http://goo.gl/wx2mI), making it easier for your customers to connect with you on Google+. This way, when people receive emails from your domain, they can follow your Google+ page directly from their inbox! Your recent Google+ posts can also appear in the widget (alongside your email message), helping customers find and engage with your content.

To appear in the new Gmail widget, all your business or organization needs is a verified Google+ page and digitally-signed emails. Check out this page to learn more: https://support.google.com/plus/answer/3190197 

 

Your investment in authorship continues to pay dividends.

Your investment in authorship continues to pay dividends. Thanks everyone for implementing -- it makes products like this possible.

Originally shared by AJ Kohn

Content Recommendations for Your Mobile Website

When you help someone find a great article on your site, you’re not only making them happier, you’re inspiring deeper engagement and loyalty. That's why today, we're bringing together elements of Google+ and Google Search to suggest the right content from your mobile website, at just the right time.

For example: Forbes visitors can now more easily discover other Forbes articles based on Search Authorship, signals and other articles with lots of Google+ activity (including +1's and shares). In all cases, recommended content is based on the specific page the visitor is viewing, to boost the relevance of recommendations. And they only appear when people tap for more, so as not to interrupt their browsing experience.

Very interesting on a lot of fronts!

     

 

Looks like we're not quite   for image filtering.

TL;DR -- SIte displays porn content from freebase/knowledge graph that violates AdSense ToS.


_A quite strange thing happened recently. I have a news website and I'm using Freebase API to provide readers for more in depth information about the content of news articles.  The site runs Google's AdSense ads._

_Following the publication of a local news, on the sidebar containing text and images downloaded through Freebase API, an image of a woman with her bare breasts was displayed._

_Well, that image, made available by Freebase, which is a Google product, was considered obscene by the team of AdSense (also a Google product), which decided to suspend the service. A sort of vicious circle of Google, exercising a censorship on itself._

_Given the impossibility to make Google people understand that the visualization of such kind of images was occasional and not intentional, I'd prefer to avoid such problems in the future. Hence, I'd like to know whether there's some way, when using Freebase API, to filter out images considered obscene by the AdSense team._









 

Google House

"Google should just buy stuff for me" -- Sergey at a TGIF a while back.

... or Takeout for subscription services

Think about Spotify, Rdio, Netflix, HBO and other content subscription services.  Once you stop paying you have nothing left.  Takeout is nothing more than references to a paywall.

A way to disrupt this might be to structure systems to reward you with ownership of a portion of the catalog each month.  Examples:
- Your most listened song or TV show.
- The ebook you shared the most.
- etc.

Then when your subscription period ends you get to keep the fruits of this relationship.

In many ways this is like the Columbia House[1] or BMG music club.  You get a free thing each month by default.  You can sample the entire catalog, or get more if you want.  But you're always *owning* something new and interesting each month.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_House

 

Everyone.  Please add sensible canonicals.
- Especially if you have a 'enable SSL' bit.
- or if you have content that spans multiple domains
- or if you respond to /foo and /foo/ without a 301 redirect on one of them.

I've noticed two canonicalization issues (project hosting and sites) in the past few days.  I'm guessing there are many more out there..


http://support.google.com/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=139394&ctx=plusone






 

The secret truth -- the ITU wants deep packet inspection to fix their Content-Type charset headers..


https://plus.google.com/photos/107786897865850743842/albums/5823819709617866049/5823819712652075282






 

Interesting  points.

Caught up with an old friend.  His teenage sons are both big kik users on their iPod touches.  They don't want an iPhone since they're not allowed in school but the iPod is.

The son of my wife's stylist asked me if we could add file transfer to Hangouts or messenger.  I'm somewhat dubious on this (seems like a good way to spread virii -- however adding Drive sharing to chat might be interesting (and safer..) and is orthogonal with Photo sharing in Messenger.

Send file == upload to drive, share file from drive to friend, share link over chat channel, render drive content using embed.


http://kik.com/






 

Teach Me How to -Dougie- Viral Loop.

What you see here is a work of art for making viral loops.

The page leading up to this asked me to _confirm_ that someone had endorsed me.  I accepted the endorsement (adding it to my profile).

This page uses some decent semantic analysis to generate 'Skills you might Endorse', and a one-click way to generate a 4x viral loop (not to mention all the other mechanisms via 'see more' and loading up more endorsements.

Performing actions here also help improve the algorithms.  If one person tags a user with a skill then you can present the same tag once added to the profile to other users and have a high likelihood of success.

And at the end of the day LinkedIn will have a much better way of finding strong candidates with specific skills; users will have more profile content, etc etc.


https://plus.google.com/photos/107786897865850743842/albums/5795440289929294673/5795440287701076610






 

apropos to our discussion of what a +1 means...

apropos to our discussion of what a +1 means...

Originally shared by Google+

50 Things a +1 Can Mean

A +1 is simple. It’s one of the easiest ways on the web to take an action that endorses the content and says you saw something. But it can mean many different things. That’s the beauty of +1. You can +1 things you like. You can +1 bad news. You can +1 things you love. You can +1 casual status updates or items that change the world.

Often, we get asked what it means to +1. Here are some ideas. We’d love to see yours.

1. A +1 can say you agree with the post.

2. A +1 can say your photo is beautiful.

3. A +1 can say your joke was funny.

4. A +1 can mean you share in sympathy.

5. A +1 can mean you endorse content found on the web.

6. A +1 can say “thanks for sharing!”

7. A +1 can say “thanks for mentioning me!”

8. A +1 can say “Glad to see you hanging out!”

9. A +1 can say “Good to see you here!”

10. A +1 can say “Wow! That’s cool!”

11. A +1 can say your video was amazing.

12. A +1 can mean you’re excited about new features.

13. A +1 can mean your post was clever.

14. A +1 can say you like this brand.

15. A +1 can say you’re the biggest fan.

16. A +1 can mean you agree with the shared story.

17. A +1 can say “thanks for commenting!”

18. A +1 can say “I vote for this choice.”

19. A +1 can say “your high score is impressive”.

20. A +1 can say “thanks for playing!”

21. A +1 can say you’re with the band.

22. A +1 can say you love the band.

23. A +1 can mean your meme is hilarious.

24. A +1 can mean your child is adorable.

25. A +1 can mean your food looks delicious.

26. A +1 can mean that song is incredible.

27. A +1 can mean “You said what I was going to say!”

28. A +1 can say you saw the post, but have no comment.

29. A +1 can say that video is stunning.

30. A +1 can say you found the news interesting.

31. A +1 can say you sure do know how to recommend people.

32. A +1 can say “I’m rooting for you!”

33. A +1 can say “Congratulations!”

34. A +1 can mean this article is a must-read.

35. A +1 can mean “I have this product too.”

36. A +1 can mean “I love this book!”

37. A +1 can mean “I hear you.”

38. A +1 can mean “You rock.”

39. A +1 can mean “I love you.”

40. A +1 can mean “I + you.”

41. A +1 can say “I can’t wait!”

42. A +1 can say “You shouldn’t miss this!”

43. A +1 can be a smile.

44. A +1 can say “You look hot.”

45. A +1 can say “I’ve been there before, and I love it.”

46. A +1 can mean “I wish I were there.”

47. A +1 can mean “I am so proud of you.”

48. A +1 can mean “You took my breath away.”

49. A +1 can say “I’m on my phone and only have a second.”

50. A +1 can say anything.

 

A really well written, must-read article about Google's Authorship program.

A really well written, must-read article about Google's Authorship program.

And this applies to anything you author.  For example, if you're an open source developer you should definitely link your github profile.  Video and photo sites?  Same thing.

Most sites are supporting XFN these days so the more links to your Google+ profile, the more often your face will show up next to your content.

 

It's been a while since I've encountered geo-restricted content.   Man it sucks.  Take my money dammit!

Oh, and if anyone wants to help me buy something from the France iTunes store LMK before I go off and try to find gift cards from the far corners of the internet.
Happy to reciprocate too!









 

 

Do you have a Panoramio account?

Do you have a Panoramio account?

Consider adding a link your Google+ profile here http://www.panoramio.com/settings/

Then add your Panoramio account to your Google+ profile (in the Other Profiles section). When linked both ways it will enable people in your circles to find your Panoramio content in personalized search.

[Note: This works for most sites supporting authorship that include profile pages.]

 

Embeds United!

I'm somewhat alarmed that there really isn't a "Life of a Widget/Embed" that has best practices on how to embed Google Content on third party sites.

Has anyone tackled this before? Obviously +1, adsense, youtube, maps, analytics and others all use their own mechanisms.

Is it time to consider deploying common infrastructure for these use cases? Especially for systems that require the ability to identify a Google user?

So here's my proposal.

* Use oauth2 semantics everywhere: tokens and api requests.
* Use a single bootstrap system to identify js domain, collect API keys as needed.
* Generate two new types of OAuth tokens that do not contain user info.
- 'Anonymous-by-domain'
- 'Anonymous-by-domain-by-api-key'
* Allow an account widget that can move you from anonymous -> identified -> authorized. (including multilogin, signin and account registration)

If all the various embeds used this common system we'd have a way to enable personalization on third party sites more easily and provide a clear way to go beyond.

Am I barking up the wrong tree?









 

.. random ES thought on content-based circle classifications..

Imagine if we could infer the type of circle based on either the content you post there (via NLP), the linguistic name, or user specification?

We could:
-- boost/dampen the volume of a post based on circle matching:
I have you in my _Photos_ circle, you share to your _heavy_metal_ circle == dampen.
-- You post your high scores to _public_ + _chess_, I follow you in a circle named _games_ == boost.
-- My wife posts to _family_, I have her in _family_ == boost
-- My wife posts to _Tennis_ and public, I don't have her in a sports circle == dampen.


The reason I've been thinking about this is another what-if --
-- what if Apps had a one-to-one relationship with a plus page?
-- When I add an App, it can circle me back.
-- If I perform an action on the third party site the app can plus-mention me, or it can group together users into relavant circles to send updates.

-- I can put noisy apps in a circle and lower the volume.
Note that App could be a Game (like Angry Birds), an App (like Remember the Milk) or even a web site (like 8tracks or Soundcloud..)

Maybe this is stretching the model too much, but it's certainly fun to ponder!









 

Until everything in the world is in the cloud this works well for getting the bits from the linux file server in the...

Until everything in the world is in the cloud this works well for getting the bits from the linux file server in the garage to the Google TV in the living room.

Plus it uses freebase.com data to enhance your content in new and interesting ways.

 

Decided to dust of my Typepad Blog for a post on how to help make your Social Search experience even more awesome.

Decided to dust of my Typepad Blog for a post on how to help make your Social Search experience even more awesome.

For part 1 I focus on linking your accounts together. This is key to being able to personalize content that does not live in Google+.

If you have a deep link to a site settings page that offers a way to link to Google+ let me know here or over on the blog.

 

And we must give credit to Amit Singhal who shared this first!

And we must give credit to Amit Singhal who shared this first!

Stay tuned, I'll have some tips on how to make sure your content gets included in social search later today.

Originally shared by Amit Singhal

Today we are introducing Search plus Your World, a new Google search experience centered around people. For the first time ever, you will be able to find personal results from your world -- your photos, your friends, your stuff -- in search.

It's rolling out today and should be available in the US for all signed in Google users over the next few days.

 

 

Anyone want to help me fill out my DJ circle?

Anyone want to help me fill out my DJ circle? ... especially artists that share Youtube content. Google+ shared videos are a great feature on the new Youtube home page.

Thanks!

 

Want to find some great new music? Load up this URL:

Want to find some great new music? Load up this URL:

https://plus.google.com/s/remix/posts

Then click "Most Recent".

You'll find all sorts of interesting remixes scrolling by. There's enough content that you can't even listen to it all, so you can pick out the most interesting stuff.

(And feel free to substitute some suitable generic term if you're not really into DJs and electronic/pop music.)

 

Interesting article about how Peets, the progenitor of Starbucks, is becoming more and more like them.

Interesting article about how Peets, the progenitor of Starbucks, is becoming more and more like them.

Luckily there's a plenty of alternatives brewing around here. Oakland's Blue Bottle Coffee is still tops for me. How about you? Have you seen places like Blue Bottle spring up in your area?

 

A new future for Buzz?

Instead of getting rid of Buzz maybe we can turn it into what it's defacto become -- an echo of activity on the web.

Just as we have the games stream we can have the buzz stream -- the collection of imported content from you and your friends. Two simple changes are needed:

* Don't allow new posts to Buzz.
* Add +1 and share buttons to imported content -- allowing you to share the best stuff to your main stream.

Thoughts?









 

LOL - comment from a thread on consumer + :

*Darren Bounds* - I hope the day never comes where I'm able to import RSS, Atom, Twitter or Facebook content directly into +. Give a Hoot. Don't Pollute.









 

RT @google: We're releasing +1 buttons to the whole web, making it easier to recommend content to your friends & contacts http://goo.gl/ ...

 

Interesting bumping+unread side-effect.

When you add a new person to your circles you get all of their posts at the top of the stream. I like that, but it's a little jarring since you see older content on top of the newer stuff...









 

Cross posted from a buzz thread about implicit graph matching.



creepy/yuck factor? At one time organ transplants were considered frankenstein creepy. Street view was (and some say is) considered creepy. The facebook news feed was once considered creepy. People's views change over time, especially if there's an underlying value that one can understand. For all of the above I'd say that the value is there and folks have adjusted.


Having a benevolent trusted partner that can search all of your content and knows you better than you know yourself using heuristics and AI? That stuff is science fiction magic. We can make it happen, and it forms the basis for serendipitous search.


I'd say we're going to have a lot more moments like this where we surface stuff to the user that they didn't expect nor ask for. Making everything opt-in is not the answer -- there has to be a middle ground here where value is given before it is asked for.









 

Had a great lunch with @macduff@google.com and @rkhare@google.com ..

Based on our conversations I'm going to claim this idiom *social referer*

For a number of reasons it might make sense to send the originating social profile in an API request. For example a nytimes +1 could include an sgn URL with the API request.

POST /plusone/create
Content-Type: text/json
X-Social-Referer: sgn://nytimes.com?pk=12345

This would help with spam mitigation (we could throttle individual accounts at a third party instead of an entire site) It would also allow us to have a reciprocal relationship with our partners since they can see the profile information in one way only. Of course we should be willing to send social referers to sites we make API calls to as well.

POST /api/v2/contacts
Host: api.yahoo.com
X-Social-Referer: sgn://google.com?pk=OBFUSCATEDGAIAID

Stupid idea? Good idea? Sound off in the comments!









 

July Update of InApps Plaform Imminent

Hi folks, just a quick note to let you know that we're about to refresh the InApps platform with some new features and fixes. I'm sure Taylor's probably let you know this already, but some things to be aware of:

* isOwner, isViewer in json-rpc requests are not present unless true. This reduces the size of the rpc responses significantly.
* Data-Pipelining and Opensocial templates have much greater functionality.
* content-rewrite feature is available and can be used to consolidate css/javascript in your gadget.

More info to come...

Paul

 

Skins, Updates, More

Just caught up 10 days worth of Neighborhood posts.  I now have Vox fatigue combined with Vox guilt.  I didn't even read comments, for shame :(  After this post I'll need to check on the 'ol LiveJournal Friends page.  Don't even ask about the umpteem BlogLines blogs stuck at 200 posts...

Hi5 has a new Skins system that actually can make profile pages look good.  I had some input early on and made sure Vox and the SixApart styles were part of the inspiration.  It's coming out really well and we've received over 200 submissions.  Check out the snazzy new profile page?  Designers can check out the specs page.

Embeds are evil.  They mess up divs and tables and are often pasted in haphazardly.  Amit  came up with an amazing solution.  Use JTidy to clean up the user submitted content.  Tags match and broken html goes bye-bye!

Now back to the super-secret Hi5 Project Funk.

 

 

 

Luxxury - "Sweet and Vicious"

Baron von Luxxury is an old co-worker of mine from the Red Hat days selling ads for redhat.com.  Check out the cute kitty in the youtube vid above.

I can't forget the time we accidentally ran run-of-network ads and you found banner ads for Dennys and some online Hair-Net website running next to Linux content.

Or the wonderful partnership with Keen.com to provide amateur linux support over the phone.  I hear that they're mostly psychics and phone sex these days.

In any case check out Luxxury when you can get the chance.  They play all over the Bay Area at times.